Hey…it’s our 100th post! And it only took us 3 years and 9 months of constant non-attention to get that far! I can hear all of you clapping out there. Nothing more deafening than silence.
All sarcastic celebrations aside, I wanted to take this time to sum up what we’ve proposed so far and see if there’s any way to integrate our past “revamp” ideas into our NewMU. We still have another 36 titles to go, but this may speed things along and save us some redundant repeating.
So far, we’ve set the Fantastic Four on a path to science adventure…turned Dazzler into a teenage pop star…and fused the angst of the X-Men with the politics of The Authority to bring you The Ultimates. However, some of the other titles we have slated for the NewMU — including Hawkeye, Dr. Strange, Moon Knight, The Defenders, Namor and Nightstalkers — were already given the treatment by our magical maneuvering. The problem is, we’re kind of dedicated to making sure we don’t repeat the use of secondary characters where they don’t fit, not to mention that some of our plotlines could contradict. So, here’s a quick summation of what we foisted upon our curious readers in the past…
Nightstalkers – Dominic Fortune is hired by Frank Drake to investigate some supernatural goings-on. He runs into Brother Voodoo in Charleston, South Carolina and finds out that the mystic man has been having dreams about him. They learn that something is afoot with the Darkhold and Morgan Le Fay is involved. In fact, Morgan is using Tigra as a present-time conduit for her foul dealings. The team rescues Tigra and continues tracking the Darkhold for Drake, unaware of what’s happening behind the scenes.
Moon Knight – Go heavy on the multiple personality angle. Introduce supporting cast for each persona. Relocate to Chicago. Run afoul of crazy Egyptian cultists worshipping Anubis, not to mention a new Serpent Society and a reimagined Killer Shrike.
Hawkeye – Moves to LA where he becomes spokesman for Damage Control West, but he’s also doing espionage work for Nick Fury with the help of Black Widow. He hires Pym as a technical consultant. Starts a feud with Taskmaster and maybe the Night Shift or even our revamped Circus of Crime.
Dr. Strange – Takes Scarlet Witch as his apprentice and falls into a love triangle with her and Night Nurse. He relocates to Boston and writes a self-help book or anti-magic book or romance novel…basically, he writes SOMETHING and goes on a book tour. Befriends a research librarian and an FBI profiler. Runs afoul of Cyrus Black, a more sinister Hangman and a new steampunk-based villain. Book also delves into the deep roots of magic in the NewMU.
Namor – Atlantis is an entire country, not just one big city. Each region is run by a magistrate and all magistrates sit on the Council of Argos with Namor as their king. The economy of Atlantis runs on selling fishing and mining rights and coordinating trade routes, but certain sectors thrive on salvage work and piracy. The island-state of Madripoor is involved as well as Dr. Doom in his bid to build a navy. Atlanteans live in coral caves and shipwrecks, their lands lit by phosphorescent algae. They have a UN ambassador but lack the high technology of the past.
Defenders – Team of Hellstorm, Cat, Gargoyle, Black Knight, Dr. Druid and Cloak and Dagger are brought together to “defend” reality from supernatural threats and to investigate the dark corners of the NewMU. They face off against The Zodiac and wreslte with the Darkhold.
Oh, and I also reread our revamp of the Frightful Four (Absorbing Man, Titania, Trapster and Mysterio working for The Wizard) and think that the idea of a competitive foe would work well in our NewMU FF. Food for thought. We also wrote up retellings of Iron Man and Spider-Man early on in the blog’s life, but those weren’t nearly as well fleshed out as these other six.
It’s now up to John to point out the obvious in these previous revamps and tell me everything that’s wrong with trying to integrate them into the NewMU.
There are some solid ideas here, and I think we can use them as a starting point for some of the titles we want to launch. I’m going to touch on these titles a few at a time, so we constantly know about which one we’re arguing.
Let’s start with Nightstalkers. If you haven’t read our first take on this group, please do so. It’s in the archives and what I say is going to be drawing heavily on it. This revamp is likely to make it to a conclusion with the least revisions. Much of what we said at the time, as far as the concept being sound and wanting to do more magic or horror stories, still stands. The characters we had chosen, Drake, Voodoo, Tigra and Fortune are all available, and I had no plans to use them in anything else. Ditto for our main villain, Morgan Le Fay. However, we were basing this series on a lot of past continuity, continuity which doesn’t exist in the NewMU, so there are going to have to be changes made.
The first and most obvious is Frank Drake. In our version, he was crippled and broken because of his time with the previous Nightstalkers. I still like that idea, and I think we just need to adjust it a little bit. I don’t think there was a previous incarnation of this team so his injuries did not come from that team’s demise. I think that he was broken and beaten during a previous encounter, perhaps with our main villain, Morgan. We can still touch on him being a distant relative to Dracula, but perhaps, instead of that turning him into a vampire hunter, it just ignited his interest in the occult and the supernatural. Through his studies in that area he learned of Morgan and the Darkhold, and while trying to stop her from getting her hands on it, he was badly injured and disfigured. It gives our team one more tie to Morgan and also means that there may be some interesting team dynamics between Drake and Tigra.
Obviously, Tigra in this world can have her origin considerably streamlined and she won’t have to deal with the stupid pregnancy she was coping with when we did our first reimagining. I think we take the opportunity to completely remove any type of scientific origin for her powers, and her time wearing a cat-suit, to better fit her in with the tone of the book. In the new MU, Greer Nelson was also a student of the occult, and she found an incantation that enabled her to summon one of the mystical cat people. As I mentioned in the original post, these Cat People are not the relatively cheery and bright ones drawn by Al Milgrom in the West Coast Avengers….they are much more cat than people, all dark colors and fanged maws. When Greer first summons them, she doesn’t realize just how nasty they can be, and is whisked away to their dimension, intended for a sacrifice. However, once there she quickly forges a bond with Balkatar, one of the preeminent Cat People, who convinced their leaders that she should not be sacrificed, but should be returned to Earth as their emissary. The leaders agreed, but changed her into the werewoman Tigra to ensure her loyalty. Once she returned to Earth, she used her newfound abilities to help people, but I think we also need to borrow a little from Catwoman here and make her something of a champion of cats. It’s not her biggest priority, but she will aid them if she knows they are in danger (like if they’re being mistreated, or if a large cat escapes from a zoo she might be the one to recapture the cat). Anyway, while doing some heroing a few years ago she crossed paths with Morgan, which is when Morgan bonds to her, as we mentioned in our original revamp. We could even later reveal that Morgan is the one who manipulated Greer into summoning the Cat People in the first place, and that Morgan helped convince the leaders of that race to return Greer to Earth, just so she could have an agent on that world (and again, this could cause some nice friction between Drake and Tigra down the road).
Our other three characters (Fortune, Voodoo and Morgan) don’t require much change. All three of them can basically maintain their origins, and we just drop most of their time interacting with superheroes. Honestly, Voodoo never did much of that anyway until recently, so he’s easy, and Fortune never really did either. His son can still have died following in his father’s footsteps…we just need to take Iron Man out of that tale (and honestly, Iron Man was barely in it, even though it happened in his title). Morgan is much the same….we remove her tussles in the present day with the Avengers and Spider-Woman and she’s good to go.
Do you agree with what I changed? Any thoughts?
The fact that Morgan LeFay is an actual figure from literary legend means that we don’t have to mess with her much at all, like you said. We can just start fresh. Same thing with Tigra. And, on the plus side, we don’t have to worry about the goofy, outdated costumes for Fortune or Voodoo either. I agree that the bones and most of the meat still hold true for this revamp. Probably one of my favorite things we ever conceived.
However, if there were ever an opportunity to present Dracula to the NewMU, this is clearly it. We can introduce Frank Drake as a man who is scarred and broken and slowly reveal that it was because of past struggles with vampires. We can keep a lot of the history shrouded too so the readers are never sure of his intentions.
I like Fortune’s past continuity, except for the superhero involvement you pointed out, and we can always just present it all in a simpler form. Brother Voodoo has some strange continuity that can be jettisoned too. Heck, the NewMU might make this Nightstalkers launch even easier than previously thought.
Now what about Moon Knight? I personally think this one is now easier too. Instead of having to go back and re-explain the multiple personality thing, we can just introduce this character and all his quirks and facets at once. No preconceptions. And instead of “revamping” villains, we just create them as we described. But that origin needs some work…
I agree with you that the villains we picked for Moon Knight and our basic concept of the hero work fine. But you’d like to find a different way to get him to Khonshu? We need to keep the Egyptian god for two reasons. First, his powers depend on the phases of the moon, and one of his main villains is a cult of Khonshu. I don’t want to jettison those ideas. Plus, we have Moon Knight slotted into the new MU as a more magical book, and while he won’t be casting spells, I think he does skirt that line between the supernatural and the scientific.
The first thing we can do to help his origin is remove Bushman from it. We had both agreed in the original post that Bushman is a waste of ink and since we aren’t including the character in Moon Knight’s current adventures, it’s a waste to have him so intimately involved in Moon Knight’s origin. We need Moon Knight to have started out as a mercenary or else we’re not going to be able to use the Marc Spector origin….he has to have the training to do what he does as a crimefighter. We could simply replace Bushman with Shrike in his origin, but that seems like a wasted opportunity as well. I’m going to kick this back over to you…I did the easy thing and removed Bushman. What else needs done to his origin?
Man, didn’t think you’d punt it THIS badly! Yes, my main problem with his origin was Bushman. With him out of the picture, we can turn Marc Spector into a bit of a jerk on his own.
Let’s say, for the sake of a quick solution, that he’s tromping around Egypt to help quell some radical Muslim uprisings. He stumbles upon a group of Egyptian scientists at an archeological dig and figures “Hey, there may be some money to be made here.” He muscles them a bit, makes some threats about stealing artifacts for the thrill, and accidentally knocks some funky obelisk over. The obelisk cracks and a spirit charges out of it and into Spector’s body. BOOM. He’s now the Fist of Khonshu whether he likes it or not. Moon Knight fixed.
Looking ahead, I think our Dr. Strange title is solid, the Namor pitch I put together actually works better without having to backtrack all of Atlantis’s history (thought Doom’s role will be diminished due to upcoming ideas), and the Hawkeye title should still be okay with the removal of Pym (since we *surprise* have plans for him elsewhere). A Damage Control title is also in the works, so that’s a quick explanation for Hawkeye.
Unfortunately, I think our Defenders idea, that I seemingly loved at some point, is now pretty awful and ruined. Agreed?
Not even close to agreed! Well, I agree we’re done with Moon Knight (he really was an easy one), but for the rest? Let’s start with Hawkeye. We have to remove Hank Pym as we have other plans for him, as you teased. I’m also not sure if we want to use Nick Fury, as I believe we have plans for him as well. That leaves a book with only Hawkeye and the Black Widow. I suppose we can deal with the two of them as our leads, and it makes sense. Since we’re starting afresh, we can again go back to basics with their origins, both of which work pretty well, and we can pretend that Black Widow’s HORRIBLE 60s outfits never happened (nor Hawkeye’s late 60s horrible redesign). We can also jettison all of the Cold War baggage of the Black Widow’s character, which is kind of nice. And we can simply have them operating out of Los Angeles. But do we really want him to still work for Damage Control? Is that going to make this a sister title of the Damage Control comic? We’ve been pretty careful in our titles not to have sister titles and to make everything stand alone. Sure, there will be crossovers, but nothing that makes you buy multiple titles for one story or that requires a very strong sense of continuity. I’d prefer to put Hawkeye back with Cross Technology. So, we have a book where one lead (Hawkeye) is more of your traditional superhero, and the other lead (Black Widow) is more in the vein of your traditional spy. They’re an item and sometimes he pulls her into his world while other times she pulls him into hers. Does that work for you?
In a sense, yes. I forgot this was going under more of an “espionage” umbrella (we’ll detail the sub-categories of the NewMU in another post). Although, I’m not adverse to having him work in the public eye and then operate in the shadows as well. Damage Control West would be its own entity and I don’t think there’d be much crossover at all between a Hawkeye title and a regular Damage Control title. Not opposed to the Cross Technology thing either. Just saying it could go either way.
For the moment, I’d prefer to keep the titles completely distinct, so let’s go with Cross Technology. Perhaps down the road we’d be able to move him to Damage Control without continuity issues, but I think it would be great if all the books started off feeling self contained, with the exception being any team books (like Avengers) that feature characters who have their own titles and our one character that is supposed to be seeded across a number of books (and I’ll be discussing him shortly).
This brings us to Dr. Strange. Our pitch for the character is pretty strong, and I certainly think we keep Night Nurse in the book. Unfortunately, we’re now down an apprentice, since we’ve used the Scarlet Witch in Ultimates. I’d like to keep our love triangle intact, and I also think that we need a reason for Strange to have an apprentice. As we mentioned in the original revamp, Strange is a powerful and important figure…why would he even have an apprentice, unless there’s a darn good reason for it. Originally we had suggested Wanda because her powers were so strong she rewrote the universe. Now we want to find another powerful woman in the new MU who’s powers are strong enough and uncontrolled enough that she could be a threat if not properly directed. I’m going to suggest Magik.
Illyana Rasputin is a young mutant with the ability to create portals that can transport her through time, space and dimensions. She accidentally creates a portal that opens to the realm of Limbo, ruled by Belasco and inhabited by demons. She is kidnapped and raised as Belasco’s apprentice. She eventually escapes him and returns to our dimension, the new ruler of Limbo. This is basically the same as her origin in the original Marvel Universe. Now, in that original Marvel Universe, she had trouble maintaining the balance between her good side and her demonic side, and this probably wasn’t helped by the X-Men’s attitude, which seemed to be “Oh, she’ll figure it out eventually.” She didn’t, which led to the Inferno crossover where demons invaded the Earth. However, what would happen if Strange got involved? I mean, Magik is an incredibly powerful sorceress, but she seems to use her magical abilities instinctively, without any real knowledge of what she’s doing. If Strange brought her under his wing and trained her, he could not only help her hone her powers, but he could help her learn how to keep her demonic side at bay. The only other major thing I’d change about her is her age…in the original she ages from about 8 to 15 years old while in Limbo. To keep our love triangle from becoming too Lolita-ish, let’s age her from about 15 to 25 while in Limbo. Boom. New apprentice.
Otherwise, we had almost all brand new ideas for this title. Morbius can still stick around as an ally and information source, and our villains were basically all new. I should say that this way we can add Belasco to the cast of villains. I’ve always loved Belasco, and he’d be so much better as a Strange foe than he was fighting Ka-Zar (Ka-Zar, for Kirby’s sake!). I’d also suggest that, if we’re going to have Strange going on the road doing magic to make a living (as we suggested in our revamp) he should have a manager. How about Madrox? We’ll be talking more about Madrox when we discuss his book, but I think a dupe of Madrox in that role would be fun. Otherwise, I think we’re good with him and can move to Namor. Your thoughts?
I had totally forgotten you used Scarlet Witch in your Ultimates title. How silly of me. I always liked Magik’s look. Never understood what made her a mutant (I guess the portal thing?), but I’m glad she’s been rescued from a horrible continuity loop. Is she still a mutant in the NewMU, or just a being that was born with magical powers? That’s the only question I have.
Now, about my Namor pitch. Like I said earlier, lifting the weight of continuity off the idea makes it breathe even better. Our new Atlantis is spread out across all the oceans. Factions are ruled in a feudal system below water. Above water, everything is politics from the UN ambassador to scattered embassies. Deals are struck for shipping rights, outlying Atlantean villages turn to piracy, citizens live in shipwrecks and coral caverns. I think Doom can still play a pivotal role here. Perhaps he and Namor are an unofficial “team,” so that the two of them can cross over into each other’s titles? Or do you want to back off Doom completely (so he can shine in his own upcoming book) and give the “fellow monarch” spot to someone else from the Marvel Universe?
I would say that Magik is a mutant born with the ability to open portals. This leaves us open to crossover with some mutant titles in the future. It’s not that I don’t want to see books crossing over (what’s the point in a shared universe if there’s no sense of continuity between titles?) it’s just that I want them to happen organically and not right away. It seems like it’s more fair to the creative teams and readers if each title has a chance to establish themselves before they start crossing over, and even then, I think we should keep crossovers to a more reasonable number, so they stay special and feel like a big deal.
Of course, that leads perfectly into a discussion of Namor. You’re correct when you say that starting over with a new continuity tends to make your concept even stronger. I still think that this is a great place for the kingdoms of the new MU to be seen and played against each other. Doom would certainly have to be a factor, as would Black Panther, but both of these characters are slated for their own titles in the new MU, so I’d like their roles in Namor’s title to be downplayed. They’ll be around, but not the center of attention. We’d have to strip out (at least initially) the plot about Doom setting up ports for his new navy. If that happens, let’s move it down the road and let it happen in Doom’s own title (or a proper crossover between the two). If we remove Doom from the spotlight, who can we shine it upon? I recommend the Inhumans.
I think that the Inhumans are a strong concept, but I don’t think they work as well when they try to headline a book. I think they’re best in a supporting role, and I think this is a role that works well for them. While Namor and Doom may make sense working together, the actual Atlantean and Inhuman races make a lot more sense as a team. They’re all outsiders, unable to function easily in human society, so they have a strong initial bond. Plus, if they would ever have a falling out and go to war against each other, it would be a much more interesting conflict than if Atlanteans simply fought the humans of Latveria. Heck, you even have a perfect ambassador for the Inhumans in the person of Triton.
The villains you mention all still work well. Some of them, like Diablo and Mole Man, were also mentioned in our Fantastic Four book, but villains can often be used in multiple titles, and neither of them were integral to the FF. They could easily move between the two books. I think it works.
Sure, I have no problem with the Inhumans. It’d be nice to stick them somewhere…and honestly, looking ahead to our other titles, I don’t see much more room for them. Maybe there’s even an organic way to find a love interest for Namor out of that group. Always nice to see a marriage bring two kingdoms together.
So, this post helped us flesh out five of our pending titles (Nightstalkers, Moon Knight, Hawkeye, Dr. Strange and Namor). The only loose end left hanging is The Defenders. The group has always been near and dear to my heart. That’s why we tackled it so early on in our blog’s infancy. Unfortunately, I don’t think we had our sea legs under us yet and the revamp left a bit to be desired. I think we should start a new post for that one.